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russplym
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 Posted: Monday, 13 October 2008 09:26 Post subject: Southern/SECHRA Seniors |
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Does any teams in the Southern and/or South Eastern region want to start a league off for this season?
If not does any team want to play in a few friendly tournaments, Plymouth would be happy to host a tournament as well as travelling.
Our last tournament for ND1 is in February so we are looking for some more games to fill up the calendar.
If anyone is interested please let me know?
Russell Lloyd
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wooiee1
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| Posted: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:14 Post subject: |
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| anyone around at southsea, highworth, east grinstead ??? |
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YESIAM
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| Posted: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 07:09 Post subject: |
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| Southsea are a non-event this year I am afraid. Nobody wanted to play competitievly so we have not registered with the NRHA for 2008-9 |
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Ismael de Figueiredo
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| Posted: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 10:31 Post subject: |
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| YESIAM wrote: | | Southsea are a non-event this year I am afraid. Nobody wanted to play competitievly so we have not registered with the NRHA for 2008-9 |
Neither did EG.
1. finances
2. value for money
3. happenings last season
4. disulusion with the sport and new found interests.
these are the 4 main reasons why we are not entering.
Never-the-less friendlies wont go a miss. We dont need to be registered to play or train RH. The insurance issue can be addressed without the NRHA in order to keep us moving at our own pace. Centres have insurance and we can do a sort of insurance if not to expensive.
This saturday I have training with our seniors. let me put the case to them. Maybe a couple of dates may be arranged so we do a repeat of last year Highworth tournament.
I will be back with this issue. |
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AMB
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| Posted: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 15:15 Post subject: |
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Very sad about Southsea. They will be missed.
East Grinstead are affiliated and they have players registered.
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daz
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| Posted: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 15:41 Post subject: |
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| Ismael de Figueiredo wrote: | | YESIAM wrote: | | Southsea are a non-event this year I am afraid. Nobody wanted to play competitievly so we have not registered with the NRHA for 2008-9 |
Neither did EG.
1. finances
2. value for money
3. happenings last season
4. disulusion with the sport and new found interests.
these are the 4 main reasons why we are not entering.
Never-the-less friendlies wont go a miss. We dont need to be registered to play or train RH. The insurance issue can be addressed without the NRHA in order to keep us moving at our own pace. Centres have insurance and we can do a sort of insurance if not to expensive.
This saturday I have training with our seniors. let me put the case to them. Maybe a couple of dates may be arranged so we do a repeat of last year Highworth tournament.
I will be back with this issue. |
Would you care to elaborate on those points? I would be interested to hear exactly what the problems were, particularly points 2 & 4.
You can get individual insurance for roller hockey, the last time I looked it cost about £50 per year per person. |
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Ismael de Figueiredo
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| Posted: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 16:47 Post subject: |
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point 2 - Value for money
Roller Hockey isn't value for money in our case ( please note that).
Equipment is rather expensive. Traveling very expensive. Cost to register Ok, no more than anyone else. Rink hire for training - very expensive. All in all a normal player who intends to play 10 matches per season plus 1 training a week, can expect to spend????????
Dont make me wrong. We are all in the same boat.
Last season, in Div2 each player must have spent a good part of £600. The international one well in excess of £2000.
Happens that I have two players under my expenses. One of them the International one, Therefore a lot of dosh. Hence this year I cut it totally as I prefer go on holiday rather than spend on RH.
point 4 - As a result ( not only) individuals find cheaper alternatives. We have people doing LaCross and football now. Much cheaper alternatives and more fun ( so they say). Less traveling and above all more and constant activity.
Please dont take it the wrong way. I rather do RH and I am fustrated for the fact I am not. Sad but not bitter.
Desilution therefore happens. Together with the fact that rinks are a misery, Div2 refs performe the way they do, standards of players are rather poor, etc.
One has to love RH very much to do it, especially the players from the clubs who are playing internationally. Years ago, I used to say that RH participants in England are heroes. If in Portugal or Spain they had to pay what we have, RH wouldnt have the dimention it has on those countries.
can you understand why turns my stomac when I hear that we have a full time officer who charges players for training, especially when I have been charged personally for one of my sons? |
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YESIAM
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 07:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | a full time officer who charges players for training, |
Carlos, in my opinion, and seeing what the full time officer is doing and has planned to do, I think this is the only way to go. I also think publicity about what he is doing (outside the international stuff) wouldn't go amiss. |
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daz
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 08:37 Post subject: |
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The problem on the expenses front is not something that anyone can address easily. If you want to play nationally, costs for travel are there, regardless of what sport you chose.
The key to addressing costs is to put effort into development, that way more local games can happen, thus reducing travel requirements. If we had more local teams we could have more local leagues, exactly what this thread started for.
As for point 4, I can't see how the alternatives could be much cheaper if they were indoor. Outdoor is an entirely different concept, particularly in winter months. Outdoor is generally a daylight alternative, unless you have floodlights, and then locally at least we have the problem of costs which seem to be the root of the issue. |
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daz
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 08:54 Post subject: |
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| YESIAM wrote: | | Quote: | | a full time officer who charges players for training, |
Carlos, in my opinion, and seeing what the full time officer is doing and has planned to do, I think this is the only way to go. I also think publicity about what he is doing (outside the international stuff) wouldn't go amiss. |
Unfortunately if we want to develop the sport, we need someone dedicated to the role and with the time to do it. To do this you do really need to pay someone, to pay someone unfortunately funds have to be found from somewhere. Either folks can pay when they use him, or annual registrations would need to be raised to pay for him. That is whether it is Carlos Amaral or anyone else. |
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daz
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 09:00 Post subject: |
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Further to my previous comment about personal insurance.
I have just checked again with the firm I use for my paragliding insurance. The cost to cover myself (you get an individual quote depending on your own circumstances) is £117.20 per year.
I have not seen the small print, and with insurance that is very important as most folks know, but I suspect that you may need to also have club insurance, thus the personal cover is just that and a top up additional to your club insurance.
If folks play outside a National Association registration things could also become difficult, especially if one team IS registered. Aileen is the best person to elaborate on this, but my understanding is that if a team is not registered (or indeed a player) and they play amongst players from another club (even in training) there is a possibility that the NAtional Association insurance could be void, in other words no insurance would be in place. Its all complicated, and in the climate we are in at the moment the best policy is if you know a player is not registered then refuse to play while they are on the rink.
It is too late after an accident to find you are not fully insured. |
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Ismael de Figueiredo
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 14:43 Post subject: |
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| YESIAM wrote: | | Quote: | | a full time officer who charges players for training, |
Carlos, in my opinion, and seeing what the full time officer is doing and has planned to do, I think this is the only way to go. I also think publicity about what he is doing (outside the international stuff) wouldn't go amiss. |
You may be right and again you may not. Time will tell.
One or two years on since we have it. Can you please inunciate what has been done, so perhaps I get convienced.
Please do not state the obvious, that I already know, and preferably work on propotion ( so much spent, so much earnt).
For example: the North is showing signs of moving forward. Don't tell me thats due to the full time officer. We had the same years back and I wasnt been payed. We didnt call it Academy neither. Actually Derek Colton was been paid traveling expenses, but he always donated his expenses back into the training of kids. the same thing with Ashurst in the West when development happen there.
Time will tell if it is the only thing to do. lets wait and see. Deep deep down, I hope it works, so whomever pay, has some rewards no matter who the officer is.
Like I said before, there are now more teams than ever playing International matches. Thats a good indicator of development.
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Are there more children being registered?
Are we maintaining young athletes in the NRHA ranks once National Teams have been selected or we still loosing a big percentage of 14-18 years old?
Surely it is to early to talk about players that achieve senior level provenient from this work.
Once you analise the figures, that may be another indicator of development.
Have coaches being recruited, trainned and development monitored?
The North has a clear development plan. The eastern counties also, but has the south east and south west being looked upon with view of developing grass routes RH?
These are some of the factors that show or not we are developing.
National Teams ( boys and girls). Are we developing, stagnated or steping back comparing ourselfs with other nations?
Seems I dont haver answers for none of this. Who does? |
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daz
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 15:28 Post subject: |
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Good to hear that you see what is happening in the North as a clear plan.
The thing about what we are trying to achieve is that, once things slot into place (as they are doing) we will hopefully have a blueprint that can be picked up and moved anywhere in the country.
The key to growing is to get youngsters involved, and then hold them in the club culture. It is no good recruiting players at even 18/19 years old, you need them younger so they can develop.
And we need to realise that todays new players are the next generations future organisers of the game. We need to leave them a legacy to look after. |
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Ismael de Figueiredo
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| Posted: Thursday, 23 October 2008 17:37 Post subject: |
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| daz wrote: | Good to hear that you see what is happening in the North as a clear plan.
The thing about what we are trying to achieve is that, once things slot into place (as they are doing) we will hopefully have a blueprint that can be picked up and moved anywhere in the country.
The key to growing is to get youngsters involved, and then hold them in the club culture. It is no good recruiting players at even 18/19 years old, you need them younger so they can develop.
And we need to realise that todays new players are the next generations future organisers of the game. We need to leave them a legacy to look after. |
Dear friend
I am pleased for all of your words, and I am sure actions as well.
The late development in the North isnt anything new to me.
In 1986 I meet Rom Riley ( Grimsby) and that was the first time I heard talking about a 5 year paln called 'the way ahead'.
In a few meetings I had with Ron and Paul Colton I imediately understood that the North had the best circunstances in England to have the sport developed.
The only thing that has changed is some of the terminology used. eg, leave a blue print so the others can use.
Years ago the people from the North done excatly the very same thing. A main difference was that Coaching Formation was above all. Those newly formed coaches would be then the basis for futher development.
It worked very well. Then for some reasons, it all colapsed. Never-te-less you still have up there lots of survivers from that era. Actually they are probably well inside the revival plans.
Several times with carlos Amaral and Keith, I mention that the North is in fact the region with best conditions to see development.
Not only by the geography of it all, but above all by the work produced with some encouragement.
I love what you are doing there, but do not tell me it is new. Maybe adapted to todays requirements, but it certainly aint new. Rom Riley was the first one to see it. I was the third once I was told.
Indeed I went to Cleakton several times, and I knew that it is more or less the centre ( it is in the centre) of all Clubs in the North. Therefore easier to access, add the enthusiasm of people and you have a result. I just hope it keeps for a long time and it doesnt colapse as it did when I was involved.
From all those happenings the NRHA earn people like Tyronne, Michael, Derek, the always Paul Colton and as a consequence you have what you have now ( 60% of players?) - Grimsby, Borough, Manchester, Halifax.
Now. With the colapse of what I was co-ordinating with development( free of charge on those days - except for petrol) and the subsquent darker ages, the steps we have done forward were outtaking by the steps backwards of an era that runs to the point Carlos Amaral apears on the map.
We have now an attempt of resuration of RH.
Steps have been done forward. I hope the NRHA this time does 3 steps forward and none back in order to progress. Standing still is not enough.
I am sure that what we are seeing in the North will be the foundation of many things to come, and it is a matter of proud and admmiration that Daniel Messanger has great responsabililities on the matter.
I hope Daniel is not allowne with the coaching. Why?
Daniel has a son. His son will probably play for England soon. Is that Dan wants to coach England? If he does to accompany his son, then he needs more people to carry the torch he is now carrying.
I have seen it happen a lot in English RH. Plaese think well about these little things, and delegate jobs of coaching so the more the merrier and protection of the wok of today into the future.
Also - organise the little ones per year of birth and not by minors, etc. U soon may carry on being the biggest supplier of players to the national teams. I think you are close.
You also have the largest percentage of international refs. Coaches? or Carlos Amaral doesnt let you touch the rubber?
All the best. |
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YESIAM
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| Posted: Friday, 24 October 2008 08:19 Post subject: |
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I will suggest that Keith or Carlos posts details about involvement with schools on the NRHA web site as they dont post here
Aileen - I know you read what is written on this site. Can you ask Keith and Carlos to get something on the WWW somewhere? I went to a meeting with them at EG a few weeks ago and their proposal (based on what theyhad already trialled in the north) all sounded very positive. |
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