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johnbjones@hotmail.com · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 93

Could any one shed any light on the following rules pulled from the CERH website....

The paragraph numbers are the same as in the official technical rules....

5.1.2 The “maximum limit” of “power play” appropriate to the foul concerned – and which the offender’s team must serve –
will be added to the “power play” time remaining to be served and that concerned the last of the offenders of the same
team who was sanctioned before.

6. Whenever – simultaneously or at the same moment in play - suspension or definitive expulsion occurs of the same
number of players in each of the teams, “power play” does not apply, and the offending players may be replaced by
reserve players.

7. A player – indicated by his team’s Coach – has to leave the rink, in order for his team to serve the time of “power-play”
caused by a foul of another member of the team.

7.1 In this specific case, the player taken off the rink is not punished disciplinarily and is allowed to be on his reserve
bench and return to the game to replace a team-mate on decision of the Coach.
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KarlWilson

5.1.2 The “maximum limit” of “power play” appropriate to the foul concerned – and which the offender’s team must serve –
will be added to the “power play” time remaining to be served and that concerned the last of the offenders of the same
team who was sanctioned before.

Will talk to you Monday about this

6. Whenever – simultaneously or at the same moment in play - suspension or definitive expulsion occurs of the same
number of players in each of the teams, “power play” does not apply, and the offending players may be replaced by
reserve players.

If a player from each team gets a blue/red at the same time, then there is no powerplay - carry on playing 4 on 4

7. A player – indicated by his team’s Coach – has to leave the rink, in order for his team to serve the time of “power-play”
caused by a foul of another member of the team.

7.1 In this specific case, the player taken off the rink is not punished disciplinarily and is allowed to be on his reserve
bench and return to the game to replace a team-mate on decision of the Coach.

If a player on the bench gets a blue/red card, the coach has to chose a player on the rink to come off for the 2/4 minutes. But that player can stay on the bench and replace other players - he doesn't get the card.

We could do with a propper english version of the rules - some of the 'translated' rules don't make too much sense.
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YESIAM · Joined: 01 Jul 2002 Posts: 733 Location: Southsea - UK

I have just read the directives for the new rule and all I can say is

(a) I am glad I am not refereeing at the moment

(b) I am not looking forward to refeeeing with these new rules.

The KISS principle seems to have been thrown out of the window.

"Most items within the new rules are relatively clear" Most? Relatively?

I understand the idea behind "team fouls" but what is wrong with all fouls being team fouls, not just something that is nearly a yellow card?

daz · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 338

I have just re-read this, and now have questions in my mind.

As I understood the rules, if the team coach gets a blue card, the team captain is the one removed from the field of play to initiate the 'power play'.

But, as I am reading those rules written by John, the Coach nominates a player to leave the field, and that player then sits in the bench area, and can swap out with the three left on the rink, so that any three players can be on the rink.

Which is correct?

KarlWilson · Posted: Monday, 02 November 2009 12:45 Post subject:

Both.

The coach only picks a player on the rink to come off it it's a player on the bench who gets carded, not the coach.
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daz · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 338

PhilMcVey · Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 136

If a team coach gets a blue card and captain is not on rink, the coach chooses which player comes off. If captain is on th rink, it is captain who comes off.

Exactly the same applies if player on the bench gets carded.

daz · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 338

And what happens then though?

Does the coach and captain go to the timekeepers bench together to sit out the punishment, or does the Captain have the right to sit on the bench and be used as a substitute?

I'm just trying to get the new rules straight in my head, sorry if it seems like I'm being pedantic.

KarlWilson · Posted: Wednesday, 04 November 2009 11:14 Post subject:

Sorry yea, Phil is right.

The player can stay on the bench, as he personalyy hasn't been carded.
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daz · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 338

So he can then re-enter the field of play at any time providing he is replacing one of the remaining players?

At least thats how I read the rules. But I have seen a removed player be instructed to go to the timekeepers table, just as though it was himself that got the card (which would be wrong would it not?)

KarlWilson · Posted: Wednesday, 04 November 2009 13:25 Post subject:

Yes.

When has a coach been carded this year ?
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brendan · Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 77 Location: HBU

Mr Paul Colton received a blue against us for cheering the first team foul after something like 20 minutes of play, a point that couldn't of been put any better ( he did stand at time keeping bench ). From the look of it he was given a five minute penalty( I may be wrong ), I believe on a blue the time is 2 minutes and 4 minutes for a red.

daz · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 338

As Brendan says.

But when Mike (our team captain of the day) left the field, he also seemed to be ushered towards the timekeepers.

Whether the Blue was justified is another argument, you know Paul almost as well as anyone, and his comments are 'amusing' at times.

But, my thoughts are why single out the Captain to leave the field, when (or should that be if) he can immediately return to replace another player? What we now have is a situation where the team Captain can tactically be the weakest member of the team, whilst not necessarily being the best man for the job, just so if a Coach or Manager insults a ref the team doesn't suffer too much. Why not keep it simple and say 'a player' has to be nominated to leave the field of play.

stewart henderson · Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 43

Further to sunday's incident -
Team fouls were not previously awarded during the game as the advantage rule was being applied as per instructions from the NRHA (after discussions with Paul it appear that he was not aware of this directive)

As Paul is a qualified ref he assumed that such an important change in the rules would have been communicated to club/ref directly.

(Is this happening to both CLUBS and REFS?)

The rules were applied correctly with the captain leaving for maximum 2 mins. As we all know due to the location of the time keeper's bench and team enclosure it would appear that Paul remained within the enclosure.

The more intresting point was that even though instructed by the bench/Paul to "let the ball in, I want them to score" therby allowing the Captain to return immeadiatly successive saves were made!

KarlWilson · Posted: Thursday, 05 November 2009 21:34 Post subject:

The player coming off doesn't have to be the captain, and the coach can stay at the bench: