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[allan]

do clubs still award marks for how they think refs have performrd in games ? if so grimsby would like to award chris freemen -9 and bruno sousa -6 for their memorable displays in recent premier league game versus HBU CSL.

[daz]

Is that minus 9 and minus 6?

[allan]

well that minus sign certainly does`nt look like a plus sign to me, i will highlite the difference - = minus and + = plus

[daz]

Sorry, its just the way it is laid out on my screen, I have the Chris Freemen and a dash, then the 9 is on the next line.

I take it then you were not impressed.

[allan]

thats an understatement although i did get the scores the wrong way round CF should of got minus 6 and the other minus 9, i`m sure i dont need to elaborate on their abilities as refs because everyone says the same, its just i am the only one (i think) prepared to say it publicly, they are not capable of referreing PL. sorry

[daz]

Sorry if it seems like I am playing Devils Advocate here, but, if I were to agree with you (I am not saying I do)about refereeing abilities, and they were not to be permitted to referee Premier League, where would that leave the sport?

My own opinion is that there are many referee's with whose I don't agree. If when we don't agree with a referee (and chose to question his abilities) we say they cannot be permitted to officiate a certain level, we eventually end up with no-one the higher levels able to officiate.

What we need to remember is that we are an amateur sport, with amateur officials, giving their time for free, such that the those who love the game can continue their sport. If we pi55 those individuals off such that they no longer want the responsibility, the sport dies. Your original post has the danger of causing that.

We also need to remember that those who give their time are human, officiating in a fast paced sport, with only a pair of eyes to judge. Even top flight referees are able to make mistakes (look at the France v Ireland Soccer World Cup Qualifier as a prime example), we have to live with them. The proper and correct way to deal with such errors is to accept the mistake as that, and get on with the game. It is entirely unethical in my opinion to berate a referee in public for what could be genuine mistake. Hell, who knows he may have even seen something that you as a spectator or player didn't.

In the past I have asked referees (Privately and after the game) why a certain decision was reached, and often learned as a result of the explanation. It doesn't mean I agree with the reasoning, but at least it gives an understanding.

[AMB]

Having read Phil's match report on www.nrha.co.uk and seen the lumps and marks on Brendan's head ,arms etc (haven't seen any other players yet) I cannot imagine what the refs' marks would be! maybe 10/10 from Grimsby though.
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Aileen

[Ismael de Figueiredo]

Hya

First of all I would like to congratulate Grimsby in their recent victory over HBU.

Secondly I would like to say that I didnt see the match. I was in Portugal on a weekly observation of my Club. Also watching weekend matches, from all age groups, including AAE vs Barcelos, with an array of talent on both teams.
I must say that the warming up to the match took 1 hour.

The referees, were excellent. Also the players were with the play within the rules.

About the Grimsby match I only know what Joel told me. About the referees, he told me that they were allowing more things than usually one sees and knows. ' They would often foul us and no blow', these were his words.

I naturally told him off, and I explained to him WHAT the HBU players should have done to play versus that adversity (?).

Any way I trust his words. The referees in that match or even in England must be sometimes adapt the allowance to a lesser way of play. Perhaps in line with our technical ability. hENCE FOR EXAMPLE 3RD DIVISION FOTBALL IS HARDER than Premiere League.

Perhaps our referees directories are to allow stopping a player with other than play the ball.
In the case of fault by a bit harder contact is a team fault = technical fault = professional fault, penalized by the ref holding his hand high and staright to the table.

Touch on the stick who caries the ball is a fault in a way not fair. Maybe the refs never played Roller Hockey and they never experienced that?

With two refs, at times refs have to see things behind their back. So refs should not ball stearing and see a bit more arround. I have see it happen in Portugal and never in England.

Never-the-less, Grimsby scored 8 and HBU only 5.

But If I am understoood, there is here a case to be looked into.
holding, grabbing, are out of the game in Europe. If happens, then team fault.
Just play ball, I trust is the principle.