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[YESIAM]

Just looking through the proposed new rules (not sure when they will be discussed/approved/implemented), there are some interesting proposals. I hope my interpretation is right, but some of the more interesting ones appear to include

(a) Removing the antiplay line and having the half way line delimiting the "defensive" and the "attacking zones". Still 10 seconds to get out of the defensive zone. But I think the new proposal is that you will be able to pass back into your defensive zone. However, you then only have 5 seconds to get the ball back into the atacking zone. BUT other antiplay rules stil apply.

(b) No more yellow cards. Straight blue or red. Yellow to be replaced by verbal warning (or something along those lines)

(c) Direct free hit spots to be replaced with 1 spot, directly in line with the penalty spot but the same distance away from the goal line as at present.

(d)Powerplay - haven't worked this one out yet but it appears related to the fact that sending 1 player off and allowing another one on does not apepar to advantage the team fouled against sufficiently.

I am still going through the rules, so there may be more. Quite a lot of the changes relate to tighten up rule explanations, or adding additional details to make the rule clearer.

I know that in some other sports (suych asd soccer) new rules are trialled at a tournament, so I would hope the NRHA might trial them before they are discussed at international level (the 1st trophy meeting of the new season?)

As I said, this is my interpretation after a very quick read, so don't assume I have interpreted the changes correctly. If you want to peruse the propsed changes foryourslef, and to make comments to the CERH (or NRHA), go to http://cerh.eu/en/Cerh/rules.php

[KarlWilson]

Some look very interesting.

The anti-play line could end up being a problem on some smaller rinks, as it cuts down the amount of playing space quite alot.

Powerplays: Anyone who watches ice hockey will get them - if a player is given a blue card, he goes off for 2 minutes and his team is down to 3 players for that time. If they are scored on it that 2 minutes, then they can return to 4 players.
Will it be 3 or 2 blues that gets you a red card? Can't see where it says, but only had a quick look through.

The 'team fouls' looks like it will be confusing at first, but after a few games it should cut down on the number of fouls. How long until we get a 'What was that for?' when a direct free hit is given for a foul the other end of the rink?
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Karl Wilson

[YESIAM]

[KarlWilson]

I think they've been talked about for a while, I can remember going through a powerpoint of the new ones sometime last year, so I think they will be used at some point.
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Karl Wilson

[daz]

If I understand it right the removing of anti play will allow more playing space not less on smaller rinks. You will just have to move the ball back forward quickly.

As for replacing a yellow card with a verbal warning, whats the difference apart from a yellow is more visual?

[KarlWilson]

I suppose there is no limit on the amount of times yo can take it back over the line, so I see your point.

Yea, I'm not really sure what the point of replacing the yellow card is....but I'm sure we'll get used to it...
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Karl Wilson

[Ismael de Figueiredo]

I have been following this conversation about information for the National Cup Day.

This is one of the biggest events of the year and yet there isnt information to us all about it in any of the sites. Do people realize that the HBU vs Bury match is already history and has been in the NRHA site for a couple of weeks now? Together with National Training Sessions and the Club 600.

Wouldnt it be great to have an advert to the Day already so nobody would ask questions about match schedules/ Venue/ timing in Talk Roller Hockey or anywhere else?

Perharps we are to concentrated on our National Teams ( boys and girls) and we forget to give the National Cup its merits? especially when it is going to be held at a new venue of exceelence?

We know that the majority of finals are between HB and/or Bury, by the way also the National Teams, with Boro a bit.

Then Kos wonders why nobody turns up at the AGMs (?).

Also as a Coach, I would like to ask when will the information about lower divisions apears on the site? Maybe when the NRHA receives info from all matches, or they have it already and its just a case of having someone to put it on the NRHA site?
For example at this point I dont know who was div2 Champion? I think EG or Plymouth. If EG they deserve the normal recognition from the nRHA so as a Club either can add that to their historial.

Ismael

[KarlWilson]

Plymouth won ND2
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Karl Wilson

[daz]

[KarlWilson]

It should be a good rule (they all look fairly interesting).

If that does happen in a game I usualy wait a few seconds to see if any of the attacking team notices they could get an easy one on one - I hate it when i get that chance and the whistle gets blown
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Karl Wilson

[bobo]

I am of agreement with certain modifications and skeptic for others.

For the numerical inforirity, I think that will reduce the number of faults and thus improve the spectacle.

For the counting of the faults, I think that will be on the contrary, catastrophic for the play and will remove advantage.
The players will prefer to stop playing to make undergo a fault with the adversary rather than to continue to play the advantage.

That one is for or against these proposals, the important thing is to change the mode for validate new rules.

There are many modifications to propose, which will change hockey radically.
One cannot simply testing these rules on some matches or tournaments.

The training of a rule, its assimilation and also its diversion take a little time.
This is why it is necessary to test these rules not only on some matches but on one or more complete championships during one year.
It is only after these truths tests which one can know if a change is beneficial, neutral, bad or very bad.
One cannot any more play with the rules and imagine the consequences. One must know in advance all the consequences!

The two last times or one have to modify the rules in an important way, it was with the protections of the goalkeepers, who were reduced.
The result of that, is that there was no increase in the number of goals at the statistical level. On the other hand, the clubs spent much money for that, money which could have been devoted to other thing.

I believe that it is important to make changes to improve the spectacle, but I also believe that we can't do without a true test during one year for all the rules.

My proposal:
For any new rule proposed, the federation which proposes the changes must test the rule during one year on a championship senior.
Another federation must also propose for the same test.

Then we analyzes each time, the statistics, the problem that there was before the rule and what is the new way, if there are other consequences not envisaged positive or negative.
Once analyzed overall, we can extend or not the rule for all.

Other sports make already like that: handball, Rugby…
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Boris Tarassioux ( bobo@inforoller.com )

http://www.roc-vaulx-en-velin.com

[YESIAM]

[daz]

[KarlWilson]

Also new rules for penalties: no whistle, just raising hand.

In an earlier version I saw, they suggested having the ref stood behind the goal line, but now it's just to side.


Don't think there are many more, but im sure something will come up.
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Karl Wilson

[daz]

I do think we have to be mindful of cost.

OK, some places it is a pro game, but others it is amateur and as such costs the aprticipants if we change some things.